Being a part of a democratic country I know at least to a basic extent what democracy means. Institute proudly refers the election conducted by it as a democratic one. I not being a great critic but has strong feel against the word. 1st of all in election all the people who are expected to be mature enough can contest. In India we determine it by having a minimum age limit. But our great insti rules determine it by cgpa. By having such a weird standard does it want to show that people below 7.0 cgpa are not capable enough for any post of responsibility? So called job of responsibility are mainly concerned with management job, and what we are given cgpa is for technical courses which have little direct implication. Even in India we have ministers with minimal educational background, but who have done wonders. Then we have great ‘U’ and ‘W’ rule you get one …… your life gets fucked off. For this point junta we have a lively exam our great MaxP, he used to be a multi talented guy before coming to this democratic place. In IITM u can get disqualified for just writing your name wrong. Can I ask how many of my south Indian friends know what their name is exactly on the institute database?
And if all this were not enough we got NCC thing. The people who have bunked the only camp held in last two years are not eligible for contesting. Is our country Israel??? Are we part of NDA? Do we need to have compulsory military training for our people? Even in all the country having compulsory military training they have one every quarter of a year. We are in IIT were we supposed to be among the most intelligent people of India. To develop our intelligence we need some space in our life. Making us do parade in the very 1st holiday …is some heck rule. We are that time a bit too much emotionally attached and want to rush to our home … and depriving us of the opportunity can mentally kill someone.
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Well....i don't agree completely with you and here's why:
1) in government politics, can u name people with minimal educational backgrounds who have worked wonders....(for those who think lalu prasad yadav is an example, do check his degrees before talking...it's another matter if he may have got those the way he practices politics)
2) i agree with ur point that cgpa alone can't determine whether a person has managerial capabilities or not. but when someone joins iit....irrespective of whether you have great talents or not...the first thing you have come for here is to study (and get good jobs if u can add to it).....even ur parents want u to do the same....the institute (and here i mean the administration) believes that people with already bad cgpa's won't be able to even manage these jobs.....and their cgpa's would even deteriorate further...and that's not what the institute and the student's parents would want....(hope the students would not want that as well...)....so u have to make sure that...
3) I agree that 'u' or 'w' alone in one subject can't say that the guy should be ruled out.....after all what about a person who gets 'u' in one course, but does reasonably well (say gets c's and b's) in other subjects or at least all except one
4) As far as the names are concerned, i think there should be some system to check ur names, and i think it's there in the student's portal (i am not sure about this and if what i said is not true, something must be done about this).
5) I agree on the last point completely, that NCC is not the way to go about, especially at the time u mentioned. After all those are our first holidays, and the joy of going to home is something i wouldn't want to dispense with. So it would be better not to have such camps. Instead if necessary, conduct classes with regularity on saturdays for ncc/nss/etc...
@raku
1 example of almost zero literacy politician --Shibu Soren ..he is the founder of state of jharkhand .. u may find him corrupt but his aim was to make unite all the tribals against buerocracy.. and at last he suceeded
2 SEBI chair man is IIT Madras droput he studied in iitm for 2 years...but couldn't withstand acads.....if there was 7 cgpa rule his co curricular participation would have been zeroo too
To your answer, my answers would be:
1) I accept that Shibu Soren was a person who with minimal or zero education, has become a powerful politician. But, remember that he may not have had much of formal education, but he is literate enough as far as politics is concerned (and that is proved when u say that he managed to rally around the tribals around the bureaucracy). In politics, that is what is required. At least one can say, that if Uma Bharati were in the BJP today, she can win a Lok Sabha election (ironically from my state, Madhya Pradesh), even though she has not studied beyond 4th (if i am not wrong), but at least she is politically (for the people) sound and literate enough to understand them. What good is Arun Jaitley who even can't win a panchayat election on his own, and has to enter the Parliament through Rajya Sabha (even though he is well-educated in the formal sense). The idea in a democracy is that people should be politically sound and literate, but it does help when you do have formal education, especially when you get into power and formulate policies.
2) I completely believe that cgpa should not interfere at all in someone becoming coords and cores, or even co-curricular activities.
But I do feel that the administration has a right to warn the parents and the student himself regarding his academic performance as to whether it is going the right way or not (They already do so by sending the CGPA card to homes and to us). And as for the SEBI chairman, after all he is in SEBI, not in something related to engineering, but related to management and commerce/economics, which proves my 2nd point that cgpa alone can't determine whether a person has managerial capabilities or not. So thank you for proving my point. What I said is that the administration believes that your or my primary task is to study, rest all should be given priority after that......So, if you don't like it, we should raise these questions before those who head the administration, as that would be more productive instead of simple express of anguishing anywhere and everywhere, which may not help in solving this problem.
who the bloody fuck askd u to choose ncc in first place. even further who the fuck told u to bunk the winter camp. again, who bloody fuck is asking u to contest in elections??
better keep ur mouth shut.
and by the way,
before spitting out so many arbit justifications in ur blog, go on to the iitm website and read the basic fundamental motto of this institute atleast ten times.
there are some priorities given first place, due to which it has secured the legacy. iitm was NOT setup with a motive to let students advocate about politics. already this country has been suffering from 60 yrs.
so, keep ur bloody fuckin mouth shut.
@ Manu.....using of too many fuck words don't make worth enough to write a comment. 1st of all can I ask what u know about the motto of iitm rather vomiting whatever u mit hav mugged from the site. If iitm don't want to make politician y don't they scrap electionsss. Even a succesfull engineer has to be concerned with politics because a engineer mit hav tech knowledge to build a bridge but for all othr stuff he has to be concerned with politician.
secondly IITian doesn't end there life being a engineer only . and if u get a chance to have iitian politician would u prefer him or not. and for ur gen knowledg ex cm of goa Manohar Parikar is IIT bombay meta 78 batch btech
@puchu
just one word...PRIORITY
macha ...
i am won of the contestants debarred of elections coz of one f* of a reason wid n people asking to stand for it.
I realsize these rules make the best of the fellows to stay outta importants things in institute.
But , i would rather go with the first commenter .
One should be disciplined enough once in life to goto army.
Cgpa doesnt indicate ur intelligence , it shows how delligent u r towards things and so does complying with institute order
to attend camp.
Why in the blue hell shud insti believe that you will comply with its rules when u already dint give a damn about it in first semester itself.
All said and done , dogde this in your head , this is IIT , u can't fool around and get away , if u think u r best then they are better
person's here ,better than you to ch(e)uck you
i know u got pissed off after all probability of contesting for 'ASS' post after some bastard made a cheaterfag of himself to report this stuff
Manu, this is for you
I think you have gone overboard while criticising phuchu.....after all, don't get personal here....what if nss would have had 15 day camps like ncc.....and you wouldn't get through nso...then it's either ncc or nss...and you have to choose any of them.....and if you think there is no chance of nss camps for 15 days, i had asked jayaraj (core of nss when i was in it, i think he still is this year) about camp and he said that he wanted to make duration of the camp 15 days but this didn't happen due to some financial difficulties (not because the administration objected).
And while i do agree with iitm priority, does the administration actually fulfill the priorities it set out for itself. After all, the level of teaching and teachers both have gone down, and people teaching us seem as if they are doing students a favour rather than doing their own duty and even taking interest in what students are learning. So what does the administration prioritise, is something it can better answer for itself.
And if the country is suffering for the past 60 years due to politics, then we (the citizens of India) are responsible for it also, and the entire blame can't be placed upon politicians and their dirty ways.
Israel Institute of (Military)Training :P
but really, although i am also a sufferer and it would seem obvious that this would be the reason for me cribbing, I honsestly, you're just friggin with a guy's brain when you tell him that he's not allowed to do other stuff coz he didn't handle the acads pressure well. I mean you can take the horse to the river but you can't make him drink. similarly, you can lock us in rooms but it doesn't mean it'll make one work. It works as an incentive in very few cases. Its just a way of telling those people that you're not worth shite, which is exactly the cause of depression and suicide and things of the same order. And then you want to bring over foundations like Sneha to stop us from killing ourselves. They have their technical brains alright. But, they need to learn that about the emotional aspect of life as well, which clearly is being ignored presently. And with stuff like this, its only getting worse for most.
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